Removing the fuel tank.....
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Re: Removing the fuel tank.....
Congratulations and nicely done.
Jim Wildharber, Kennesaw, GA
Past President TIC170A (2010-12) and Georgia Area Representative
'55 170B, N3415D, SN:26958, O-300D; People's Choice '06 Kelowna, B.C., Best Modified '07 Galveston, TX, Best Modified '08 Branson, MO.
Past President TIC170A (2010-12) and Georgia Area Representative
'55 170B, N3415D, SN:26958, O-300D; People's Choice '06 Kelowna, B.C., Best Modified '07 Galveston, TX, Best Modified '08 Branson, MO.
Re: Removing the fuel tank.....
WOW! This really motivates me to do the same to 81D....as soon as it warms up a little outside.
No hanger
No hanger
Re: Removing the fuel tank.....
Man that tank turned out nice! Mine has been pushed back again for another few weeks....but this thread is getting bookmarked for future reference.
Greg
Greg
N87045
'53 170B
0-360 180H.P.
'53 170B
0-360 180H.P.
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Re: Removing the fuel tank.....
Well your not following CAR 3. It is not AVGAS it is FUEL. And you list the usable amount not the max.
These are the minimum things that it must have. You can voluntarily put anything else there like AVGAS and the max cap.
So to cover CAR 3 it needs to say:
Fuel 80 Min Oct.
18.5gal Usable
Or to cover CAR 3 and FAR 23 it needs to say:
Fuel Avgas 80 Min Oct
21gal Max 18.5gal Usable
These are the minimum things that it must have. You can voluntarily put anything else there like AVGAS and the max cap.
So to cover CAR 3 it needs to say:
Fuel 80 Min Oct.
18.5gal Usable
Or to cover CAR 3 and FAR 23 it needs to say:
Fuel Avgas 80 Min Oct
21gal Max 18.5gal Usable
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Bruce Fenstermacher, Past President, TIC170A
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I think you answered your own question. Keep your caps chained to the filler neck and you can mark the cap. Personally I wouldn't chain the cap though. It makes a lot of beating the wing to death noise when the cap comes off or is inadvertently left off. Don't ask me how I know. I would place the placard beyond the filler port--toward the center of the wing cord--so it is less likely to get scratched when refueling.Aryana wrote:... I just bought new fuel caps...would it be legal to have this info painted on the cap itself?Bruce Fenstermacher wrote:The following information shall be
marked on or adjacent to the filler cover ...
Sec. 23.1557
[(1) Fuel filler openings must be marked at or near the filler cover with ...
In the late '70's there seemed to be a rash of misfueling accidents where line boys put jet fuel in recip aircraft and vice versa. That's when Cessna ripped off the "Turbo" labels on their T210's, put nozzle restrictors on fuel filler ports, etc. It's also when GAMA added blue and green to the fuel placards octane listing. This label is typical of that push to reduce misfueling. Here's what Cessna uses on their 1978 C-172N. But enough about placards! You're in danger of missing the forest for the trees. Safety-wise the priority should be on installing those shoulder harnesses. That was something I encouraged my father-in-law to install in his club's 172. After a club member crashed the plane in the Sierras and had several reconstructive surgeries to his battered face my father-in-law said he should of listened.
Gary
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Re: Removing the fuel tank.....
CAR 3 says "on or adjacent to the filler cover". FAR 23 says "at or near the filler cover"
So if you want to keep everyone happy (you only have to comply with CAR 3) you should put it "adjacent, at or near" which complies with both but not on the filler cap as that does not comply with FAR 23.
Boy of boy I can't wait for convention to point out the deficient aircraft markings.
So if you want to keep everyone happy (you only have to comply with CAR 3) you should put it "adjacent, at or near" which complies with both but not on the filler cap as that does not comply with FAR 23.
Boy of boy I can't wait for convention to point out the deficient aircraft markings.
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Bruce Fenstermacher, Past President, TIC170A
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How much did the decals cost?
Maybe we should make a bulk order and make them available at the conference.
Maybe we should make a bulk order and make them available at the conference.
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I just stenciled mine to read "NO HAM FAT". It will burn too, you know and works surprisingly well in an engine of the technology of a C-145.
BL
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I can only refer you back to the CAR and FAR I posted. Neither calls for the total fuel the tank can hold.Aryana wrote:And should it really be useable or usable?
I would not put it behind or down wind of the fuel port so the fuel splashed or run overboard can wash it off.
I also would not likely spend so much on two labels when I could buy a Brother P-touch starting at $29 and make lots of labels. OK I'll come clean I wouldn't buy a P-touch either, I'd borrow one from my wife or from work.
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Bruce Fenstermacher, Past President, TIC170A
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Re: Removing the fuel tank.....
Direct quote from CAR 3:
(a) The word "fuel," the minimum
permissible fuel octane number for the engines
installed, and the usable fuel tank capacity. (See
§ 3.437.)
(a) The word "fuel," the minimum
permissible fuel octane number for the engines
installed, and the usable fuel tank capacity. (See
§ 3.437.)
Karl
'53 170B N3158B SN:25400
ASW-20BL
'53 170B N3158B SN:25400
ASW-20BL
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You're not allowed near my plane as the only thing marked is the Engine PrimerBruce Fenstermacher wrote: Boy of boy I can't wait for convention to point out the deficient aircraft markings.
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I'm cheap so I used these http://www.aircraft-spruce.com/catalog/ ... ards11.php and added "usable fuel 18.5 gal" with a tape embosser. So far they've lasted 14 years and the embossed labels were replaced by Ptouch labels about 10 years ago. My airplane is never refueled unless I'm there.
Walt Weaver
Spencer Airport (NC35)
Spencer Airport (NC35)
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For those of you with fuel STC's, you should re-read your STC installation instructions to be certain your fuel placard meets those. (I'll bet there's an ASTM specification which must be listed.)
I'm just guessing, but I'll bet bluEldr refuses to carry any Porkers in his travels to the outback campouts to which he flys. (No Ham Fat)
I'm just guessing, but I'll bet bluEldr refuses to carry any Porkers in his travels to the outback campouts to which he flys. (No Ham Fat)
'53 B-model N146YS SN:25713
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
50th Anniversary of Flight Model. Winner-Best Original 170B, 100th Anniversary of Flight Convention.
An originality nut (mostly) for the right reasons.
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[quote="gahorn"]For those of you with fuel STC's, you should re-read your STC installation instructions to be certain your fuel placard meets those. (I'll bet there's an ASTM specification which must be listed.)
Oh you mean kinda like this one from here http://www.aircraft-spruce.com/catalog/ ... ards11.php ?
Oh you mean kinda like this one from here http://www.aircraft-spruce.com/catalog/ ... ards11.php ?
Walt Weaver
Spencer Airport (NC35)
Spencer Airport (NC35)
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Here is the page from the EAA Mogas STC that covers required placards.
John E. Barrett
aka. Johneb
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aka. Johneb
Sent from my "Cray Super Computer"