Removing the fuel tank.....

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Re: Removing the fuel tank.....

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I might be late to the conversation but why bother with a placard?
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Required placards are usually on the last page of the TCDS. Doug
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buzzlatka wrote:I might be late to the conversation but why bother with a placard?
Steve, the FAA could ground your aircraft on a ramp inspection. All TCDS info is at finger tips of the FAA with a smart phone. Caveat Emptor.
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With a flare tool and tubing bender, you can make the line yourself (A&P)

Buy twice as much line as you think you'll need and practice bending the right lengths.
It's not hard to do.
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Aryana, take a look at the IPC page 104 (figure 63) it the vent system however it does not show the fitting in your picture either.
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That's a photo of the fuel delivery system, the fitting to the tank or about #10 in your diagram.
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bagarre wrote:That's a photo of the fuel delivery system, the fitting to the tank or about #10 in your diagram.
It looks a lot closer to item 2 and 2A in the fuel system diagram.
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I'm not sure of the exact part number, I was just referring to what looked close in that diagram. I think the diagram was pointing to the union and not the fuel line.

We used clear vinyl tubing for chafe when we made mine.
There probably is a burn requirement for it tho.
An old piece of fuel line would also work.
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  • CAR 3:
    § 3.767 Fuel, oil, and coolant filler
    openings. The following information shall be
    marked on or adjacent to the filler cover in each
    case:
    (a) The word "fuel," the minimum
    permissible fuel octane number for the engines
    installed, and the usable fuel tank capacity. (See
    § 3.437.)
  • Sec. 23.1557
    Miscellaneous markings and placards.

    (c) Fuel and oil filler openings. The following apply:
    [(1) Fuel filler openings must be marked at or near the filler cover with--
    (i) For reciprocating engine-powered airplanes--
    (A) The word "Avgas"; and
    (B) The minimum fuel grade.
[/list]

Since our aircraft are certified under CAR 3 we use CAR 3.767 and any placards called for in the TCDS or that have been mandated through an AD. I've not researched ADs.
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CAR 3
MARKINGS AND PLACARDS
§ 3.755 Markings and placards. (a) The
markings and placards specified are required for
all airplanes. Placards shall be displayed in a
conspicuous place and both shall be such that
they cannot be easily erased, disfigured, or
obscured. Additional informational placards and
instrument markings having a direct and
important bearing on safe operation may be
required by the Administrator when unusual
design, operating, or handling characteristics so
warrant.

The Sharpie shown earlier will work fine.
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Re: Removing the fuel tank.....

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Man Im glad you are posting what you find. Still a couple weeks out from getting to mine. Plus mine are full of gas so that means I have to go flying..... and I hate leaving my tanks empty...... :wink:
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bagarre wrote:I'm not sure of the exact part number, I was just referring to what looked close in that diagram. I think the diagram was pointing to the union and not the fuel line...........
Sorry David, after looking at my own fuel pick up at the tank I relized I do not have a right angle fuel pickup elbow either. I thought we were looking at a picture of the fuel tank vent cross over pipe.

sorry the picture is not clearer, how do I manage to get out of focus pictures with a digital camera?
Fuel supply line at tank.jpg
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Re: Removing the fuel tank.....

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Aryana, you asked about the rubber tube around the "L" shaped gas line. It is for chaffing protection. Don't ask why I know, but I replaced the 6" line and chaffing on my plane when I removed and repaired my gas tanks on 15D. 8O
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Anyone wanting that strainer...I have two in the Cessna pkgs. 1/4th price! :wink:
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Aryana, You are now finding the errors in the IPC 8O . There are three errors I have found with Fig. 7 on Page 14 and Fig 2 on Page 4 in the IPC.

The first is the item 25, fuel tank adapter gasket. The illustration only shows one gasket; yet, the parts list indicates 2 required per assembly. Missing in the illustration is the second gasket which is located inside the tank. The powerpoint slides Bruce posted for me show how to install the second gasket. Without this gasket your tank will leak.

The second error is the strainer assembly, item 38. On the late model 170B's the elbow is not present. Again look at your tank or my pictures to see what you have.

The third is item 33, filler neck. Mine is welded to, not threaded, into tank flange (not shown in illustration). Again see my pictures or look at your tank to see what you have.

These errors are also present in Figure 13-8 of the 1962 and Prior Service Manual. :x

For others that are new to IPC errors, George and Bruce have also documented the errors with Figure 64, Fuel Selector valve assembly :D . There are several threads on this topic on the forum.
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