Tail wheel Tire / Tube

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Re: Tail wheel Tire / Tube

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MoonlightVFR wrote:... items 94 - 04420110-29 Tire should be corrected to 2.80 x 250 4 as IPC incorrectly list 8 x 3.00 . ...
Grady, The IPC is correct, it's just that 8 X 3.00 tires are no longer manufactured for aircraft. I have however found one for you if you hurry! :wink: Check out the tire here. Compare the tread design in the picture to the IPC illustration. This tire was manufactured by General Tire which is now Continental.
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Re: Tail wheel Tire / Tube

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The difference is only in nomenclature of tire sizing. The OLD system of outside diameter X Width.... versus the newer system of tread width and Inside diameter. Tread design may vary according to mfr'r as noted. Thanks for that archived pic. Fun to see.
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Re: Tail wheel Tire / Tube

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I am posting this to add information to an earlier post I made regarding inner tube design, in which I pointed out that the Mil spec for inner tubes is now obsolete. This is still true.... but new information is: MIL-I-5014 is still obsolete... but military sourcing now mention that inner tubes should meet an SAE standard: SAE document AS 50141. Goodyear Tire and Rubber do not state their tubes meet the SAE standard...but still meet the Mil-spec. (I don't know how that could be since that is obsolete.)

I'm attempting to get that info (but it's elusive.) I'll post it when obtained.
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Re: Tail wheel Tire / Tube

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I’m trying to figure out what tailwheel tire to replace my current tire with. Right now, it’s a tubeless Aero Classic 2.80/2.50-4 6 ply with sawtooth tread. I’m not able to find an exact replacement; the tire may be 15 years old.

Is there any advantage to tube vs tubeless? How about tread type (ribbed vs sawtooth?) My inclination is to go with a 4 ply with inner tube. Do the beads seal the same for tube and tubeless?

Thanks for your input,
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Re: Tail wheel Tire / Tube

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This is what I recommend: https://shop.desser.com/Aircraft-Tires- ... -AD1A2.asp

Here’s a tube https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ ... orEALw_wcB

Here’s Spruce’s tire offering: https://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/ ... tires3.php

Both of those above are aircraft suppliers. However the inner tube specification for aircraft tube is obsolete as mentioned in earlier posts so....

I have had excellent service from these bought at Northern Tool: https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools ... _200514232

OR...you might try this and throw the wheel away: https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools ... _200331227
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Re: Tail wheel Tire / Tube

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That’s the way I was leaning, George. Just for my own benefit and understanding... tube vs tubeless? Interchangeable using the same wheel halves, right?

As always... thanks for your help!
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Re: Tail wheel Tire / Tube

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Personally, I prefer tube-type tires because I live on grass with “occasional mesquite” thorns and tubes are easy to repair and return to service... whereas some tubeless-tire leaks cannot. Also the wheel halves are their own source of leaks and tubes take care of that. (An example is a puncture on/near the sidewall ... which is almost a non-event on a tube type tire but will condemn a tubeless type.)
THEN...there are valve-stems... tubes already come equipped... but tubeless assy’s are another possible source of problems.

Wheels must be purpose-designed for tubeless tires, with gaskets or O’rings and sealed. (I’ve never tried a tubeless tailwheel.)

Tubes are just simpler for my mind to wrap-around.
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